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It's very simple. Look at who are making the comments. Sony promoters will come into any discussion of another brand and find something to nitpick. But Sony promoters will take that with other brands and run with it and amplify it out of proportion. I remember there was one Nikon lens where the reviewer said it was a tiny bit slower in focusing than some others but Sony promoters turned that into trying to paint it as the slowest focusing lens around, almost unusable.
In reality the lens focuses very fast, just not literally the fastest. Thoughts R Us for years you have been saying that Nikon Pro bodies a built like tanks and that Sony just is not in the same league. I am sure that the Z9 is just fine, but objectively the lens mount, the weakest point of a interchangeable lens system, is weaker than on the Sony bodies, so you are the last person who should be lecturing others.
Do everyone a favour and show for once, some humility and stay silent Thoughts R Us I find it funny your straw man argument and keeping on dodging the criticism. I do not think anyone has been arguing that the Z9 is not a great camera and perfectly suitable for what it is designed for. Just time to accept that you have been wrong in the past with your "truck and sport car" ridiculous analogy, these sport cars might actually be up for the task after all if they are tougher than the Z9 where it matters the most ;- Thinking of which The only BS thing in my camera is the Sony Card that keep their breaking their cheap plastic.
Its all over the internet and never have I had such a cheap plastic that the XQD card reader. I have been using my Z9 and before that other bodies like z6 in very harsh tropical island conditions and never have had any issues. That A1 was very likely dropped by a photographer wearing gloves because it is small for such usage.
When someone make extreme claims being from a manufacturer or reviewer and it shows not to hold water this obviously results in what we see….
Nikon Z9 is no better build it offer not a slight better build then any other, anyone proclaiming so completely overlook some rather serious issues brought up in the tear down.
Thoughts R Us so hilarious, I so knew you would have deflected the issue exactly saying what you did. You are so predictable, and not in a good way. Always and escape plan ready ;- like little kids arguments. So your argument is that the Z9 grip is so good that there will never be a chance for a photographer to drop it and that is the reason why Nikon could underdesign its mount.
Thank you for the fantastic engineering solution explanation. It seems very objective and sensical. Even then it did have some damage. The Z9 will runs rings around an A1 in any tough environment for prolonged use. It certainly inspires far more confidence. I'm sorry if you cling to one data point to try to overcome your inferiority complex regarding Sony durability.
Show me your credentials in structural engineering and a detailed analysis. Oh wait, you don't have those. Armandino, the answer to your question about Z9 surviving a tumble like A1 has already been answered. The Nikon mechanical experts here have already stated that Z9 mount is designed to break off if subjected to impact. Thoughts R Us besides that your argument is simply based out your own guessing and there is absolutely no evidence of what you are saying, you are still deflecting the initial observation: The A1 demonstrated to be able to take a tumbling that the Z9 might possibly not be able to, in direct contrast to your generalized statement that the Z9 is built like a tank and the A1 is subpar.
Secondly you are still avoiding the obvious: my criticism is directed toward your inability to have an adult conversation. It is not about the cameras, so you are still making a straw man argument about me, Sony, and inferiority complex. Which is again a way of deflecting unless I am just overestimating your brain activity, and you are actually a kid who figured out how to get in your dad's computer.
Vignes Chris Drake drove a car over his Olympus camera and it still works, although the lens didn't make it. Show me the reports of mount failures on Z cameras. Where are they? The Z6 and 7 have been out for almost 4 years. A search for mount problems on the internet reveals Hey, armandino, would the Sony have survived the baseball?
Deliverator It seems that from an engineering standpoint the Sony or Canon mount appear to be stronger. I am glad to see that the Z9 took the beating in this situation. I never thought the Z9 mount to be weak, I am sure Nikon has plenty of experience in camera design and knew what it was doing with the Z mount. Ah yes we have the usual biased post by the OP to try to denigrate any brand other than Sony and try to make Sony look good.
We get it, Sony good, other cameras bad. Your pillow cases, bed sheets, blankets and PJ's are all adorned with the Sony alpha logo. We get it.. But I guarantee you no one ever picked a camera brand based on repairability.
They pick a brand with a reputation of not breaking in the first place. You will of course retort with irrelevant cherry picked out of context data points to suit your argument and I will counter with how they are irrelevant cherry picked out of context data points.
So let's stop the dance. From here on out, how about you just say "hi" and we'll all know that you're in a Nikon article to say how Sony is better without saying the specifics.
I'll do the same in a Sony article. I agree. I would definitely prefer that any ports to external devices where a cable can be snagged, yanked, or tripped over be connected by ribbon cables to the main logic board.
How can anyone use it? Pro Sony comment unprovoked. In a Sony article: - cool - great - awesome - Nikon requires more finger power to turn on. In either scenario, Nikon actual users, try to correct the misinformation.
The list of Sony commenters above are Toxic with a capital T. I really think you need to take those Nikon glasses off, there is a ridiculous amount of Sony bashing in Sony news. TRU among others just to name a few, hardly any fact, and then Sony user spend ages on correct false Nikon trolls religious beliefs. Second, no one needs you or anyone to "correct" our beliefs about gear other than Sony.
That is unbelievably condescending and rude. Sony makes great sensors Nikon using a Sony sensor is a positive, not a negative. Nikon adds their own secret sauce to the Sony sensor, as most who do who contract out to Sony for their sensors. So Nikon users do get something special and different. Canon makes their own sensors and they are excellent as well. In spite of the usual tech spec arguments, Canon sensors are used to capture all sorts of great images the world over, by pro's and hobbyists alike.
We should also be glad that Canon makes their own sensors, as it probably wouldn't be healthy for Sony to literally monopolize the image sensor business. V isn't even that near D on a keyboard We shall see. See the tear down article you have a picture and story of the first failure, and we are not that many months in, what dos that tell you!
With the two first gen. Sony It was less an issue as it was just enthusiast body that was not used with that heavy lenses, but this is designed and meant to be used in rough conditions and will use long heavy , mm primes etc. I cannot stress out how problematic that is if we look at issues prior with a similar design with lighter lenses. IBIS was always much worse in the Sonys I've owned, propably due to smaller movement possible result of smaller diameter.
Also, the biggest problem with the Sony A7R was, despite being mirrorless, its unbeliavable strong mechanical shutter slap, due to bad shutter design and lack of EFCS. The wobbliness of the mount made this effect worse, there was often small play between the camera and lens. Funny you mention 3rd gen Sony, and maybe take a look how much lens mount ring cost in the case of damaged Sony 2.
The price of usd for just the lens mount ring repair sounds very high, and the cost would propably be even higher with high end teles you mentioned. The Z9 repair quote was not apparently that much higher compared to the lens repair ;. Also all IBIS of major brands is measured within 0,5 stop so it is almost borderline irrelevant. Why do you think Sony redesign it and tossed in two more screws and reinforced it and why do you think Canon do the same with one less screw.
If you look at how this break off it was identical to the first two gen sony. MILC they didn't solder ribbon cables, they eliminated ribbon cables in favor of soldering the external connectors to the board.
My practical repair and troubleshooting experience is with touring light and sound consoles, controllers and amplifiers, production computers — and, on the hobby side, installing and maintaining two-way radio systems for off-road vehicles. Plus cameras — though in general I leave those repairs to the pros. For durability solder wins. There will always be exceptions that prove the rule. Yes, it is cheaper in the long run.
Especially when it comes to production. Cost of repairing gear pales in comparison to the cost of time lost to failure. Those are the only board mounted connectors I have had to attempt a re-solder. Ribbon cables are considerably more grief. But in a camera the leverage of a user lifting the weight of the laptop against the solder joint of a connector doesn't exist.
Bashing: a harsh, gratuitous, prejudicial attack on a person, group, or subject. I guess they can leave out things like the button lighting, make the screen tilt-only and reduce battery life probably a given since it would use EN-EL Maybe the GPS has to go as well, although that would make me sad.
The Z-system replaced our X and GFX-based Fujifilm cameras which have always been plagued by unresolved bugs and some major reliability issues. So far the Z-system has been a huge relief and is a great companion for our H6D's. Well done, Nikon. Yeah exactly my experience. Never been so pleased with a system in over 20 years of doing photography. The lenses is the biggest advantage of the Z system.
Just phenomenal coherently performing lenses. Those thermal pads for the heat sink look very thick and of the cheap foam type. They could have used much higher performance thermal pads Even cheap laptop computers do it a lot better.
Thermal design is a bit more complicated than that Joining the external fan club? As if you can see any kind of thermal transfer or other characteristic from those photos Now if there was an actual problem, please let us know. And no, cheap laptops doesn't do it better, even RTX cards have shit thermal pads from most manufacturers. Good thermal design doesn't lead to overheating and shutdown. Poor thermal design leads to short recording times and thermal contamination of images.
It looks like Nikon beats both Sony and Canon. Here's what we do know That's all any user will care about. Thoughts R Us - "What is not relative is ultimate ruggedness and durability.
This Z9 has it. MILCman: I still don't see your structural engineering degree that suggest you have any credibility to comment on your perceived criticisms All I know is that there are several active forums for Z9 users and they almost unanimously love the camera. And the camera remains still hard to find to this day. Thoughts R Us - you got nothing here, because there is no defending a weak lens mount that only has four screws that are threaded directly into the body casting.
MILCman: funny how you started out criticizing the thermal design and when I called you put on that, you switched to your favorite argument on the lens mount. Thoughts R Us - you didn't call anyone out on anything, because you can't argue with the fact that the a1 has better watt-hour battery life. A common definition of quality to "To specification". The pads seem to perform - therefore there seems to be nothing to complain about. The Nikon F-mount had a smaller diameter, and 5 screws.
Starting to see a pattern here? Nikon, on the other hand, seems to screw the ring directly into the frame. MILCman You were talking about the number of screws. Not saying what they wrote is wrong. Congratulations, you can count screws. Your comments on the structural integrity of the Z lens mount is idle speculation. I've yet to see a complaint online in any forum of a failed Z lens mount on any Nikon camera from the Z 50 to the Z 9.
PRO bodies are big and heavy and they are build like a tank. However, it looks like the problem is that the screws are just screwed into the magnesium alloy body, and evidently, the material failed to take the strain and broke apart, causing the screws to rip free.
Additionally, with some cameras, e. See Milling's post above. And it is a very easy job, after all, Nikon has so many short comings ;-. I see what you did there. But that won't diminish my tongue-in-cheek comment about "sony fans". Many people wonder. The comment of whitelens is without a single bit of information. And then, every well designed mount has a designed point of failure in order to protect the camera body against unrepairable deformation or fracture.
In the case of Nikon, it's the four screws, fortunately, as they are easily replaced. The original article's author has no clue what he is talking about. The art is to use screws which are both robust enough and fail easily enough. Did anybody investigate this delicate balance? There are millions of examples in millions of products where a more simple solution is the better one all things considered.
There is simply zero ground for making the comments you are making except your willingness to paint Nikon in poor light.
I comment because Nikon and reviewers make unsupported claims without backing it up, then after a teardown it shows the claims where not true…. If the camera was dropped with the lens attached and it hit concrete near the front of the lens, that's an awful lot of torque on the mount. And by the way, on the matter of "cheaper to replace the lens": if that's the lens I think it is, it actually costs MORE than the Z9.
And most lenses are cheaper to replace then cameras only the large tele primes are the exception. Now go and direct your company and take some pictures with your Fujifilm FinePix Sfs. Thank you very much for this article, I always wanted to know what the inside of a Z9 looked like.
About right that this gets dozens of comments and loads of irate techie guys fighting over brand components, screws and heat sinks. While an award winning photo post gets maybe 6 comments. A lot of blokes are into photography for the gear and tech, not the output. You are on a GEAR site. Not a photography site. Maybe that explains your confusion about the commentators. K27 - true, but my point still holds.
Most people who comment on this site are far more interested in the tech side of cameras than the image side and I suspect they wouldn't know a decent photo if it hit them in the face, but can talk knowledgeably about the number of screws in various lens mounts For me personally, I think the cameras we have today far exceed the needs of most people who use them, but I sti like seeing how much further we can push the technology.
What gearheads often miss are the intangibles in photos, the emotion that an image elicits as opposed to how many mp's it has or how sharp it is. For me photography is first and foremost about that and what camera was used is incidental. They are two seperate hobbies and neither is better than the other. Many people enjoy both, some just one of them. But that doesn't mean one of them is not valid as a hobby.
Gear and tech blokes are pressing many buttons on their keyboard, while photographers are pressing few buttons on their camera's. It's basically the same thing. Maybe that explains your confusion about the commentators".
Video: In Nikon Z Kolari made several comments about the mount being a weak compromised design. Not what one would expect in a flagship professional camera. The screws didn't shear, the area around the tapped holes on the front plate cracked. The repair in this case would be quite expensive requiring a replacement of the front plate.
But the lens looks intact, so most likely the mount was designed as breaking point to prevent even worse damage. Remember reading somewhere the quote for the repair, and it was not too high after all IMO. Well when more people drop their Z9s or found with cracked mounts then it would be more apparent if it is a liability I guess.
Camera's are not designed to be hammers or to be sat on. There are other tools for that. Unbreakable mount would transfer the energy to somewhere else.
So fewer screws is somehow better? I would prefer more screws so this happened less often. And when this does happen, there is a very good chance that either the lens, the camera, or possibly both are going to be dropped onto the ground. And that could be a very expensive repair. Quotes From The Article: With some cameras, e. If the Z9 had that additional inner ring, it might have taken the strain better and reduced the damage, and we may have been able to repair it by replacing that part.
However, in this case, it looks like the only way to fix that would be to replace the whole front panel. We will indeed have to see. These constructions usually have points which are supposed to break in order to facilitate a less intrusive repair. Exactly, and what does the seconday plate help, if it will be ripped off anyway? It has to be connected somehow to the body anyway. As said, the quote for repair was not actually that high, and could have been worse.
This article has been already quoted several times by Sonny fanboys trying to attack Nikon, and Dystopia seems to be following the agenda ;. DarkShift: Now you are trolling - saying stuff to provoke an argument. Your post has been reported to the moderators.
Lenses don't come off by itself like that. There has already been some substantial force to the mount, and the tearing seem to be very clean. Front plate of the camera is cheaper than the lens that was attached to it Z 2. You obviosly haven't been following some other threads here about this finding number of screws in the lens mount. It seems to be latest revelation that some Sony users are using to target Z9 - they seem to have run out ideas :D.
Here's a youtube video of an R3 mounted on a drone chasing a race car. The drone crashed and the R3 takes a tumble. The lens mount was still attached to the body, but the rest of the lens sheared off.
They switched lenses and kept going with the R3. It looked like it broke that way to minimize the repair. I'm sure it is best that the body was still working and the lens only needed a new mount. Kona Mike, one could argue they could keep spare bodies instead of lenses if the cameras were getting busted.
TRU is sulking because canon added that feature he had been bashing for years to his R5 via firmware last week. That is the ability to set a high temperature overheat threshold.
The same can happen to the sensor assembly, too, which also needs to be calibrated. My guess is that Nikon simplified the bayonet mount assembly as much as they could. So, some costs had to be cut. DarkShift, yea, I'm sure with an impact strong enough to break a lens off the preferred outcome is that your camera has the front ripped off. What happens to the lens? I'm sure it will be perfect after that impact, you know with all that precision glass in it. Yea, make any excuse you want and tell your self anything to feel good.
Just remember the lens is going to have problems after that impact, so why should the body too? It is a weak mount, get over it. I'm sure they will beef it up for the next pro body, get over it and move on. I won't get baited into the argument re Canon cameras that Mike alluded to, as this is an article on Nikon. Re the Z9 and what is being discussed in this particular thread, I'm not a structural engineer and so won't comment on something technical outside of my expertise.
The only fact that I know is that the Z9 is being used by professionals in many demanding situations and seems to be holding up very well. There are no actual user complaints. We see on these forums all sorts of criticisms based on theory, sometimes flawed theory by people commenting who don't know the subject well enough , but I worry when we get to actual user complaints. Price for repair was usd even it was "just" the clean broken lens mount of a usd lens.
Repair estimate for the Z9 was bit, but not too much higher, assuming it was the "whole front panel". Again, it amazes me how much evergy the Sony cult uses for Z9 mount properties and its screw count. Maybe take your Sony out, and shoot some photos? The Z9 is in the field 7 months and many are still waiting for deliveries.
How can you claim no user complaints? DarkShift, you can't say the body repair cost is just a little more than the lens only repair cost. The lens will most likely need repaired too when the front of the camera rips off. That in total will be way more expensive than just a lens repair. Read the comments from your link, the person that "dropped my Nikon D" seems to agree with me. It is a part that can be replaced but will add to the cost.
Your lens is likely damaged too. I've had all of the above fixed on D4 and 2. Front element and VR unit needed to be replaced. It was evident shooting a brick wall. So without a shred of evidence, we are expected to believe Nikon cleverly engineered a specific break point for their pro camera?
Never mind that this will result in the lens being dropped and further damaged Hey, maybe it's a designed to generate more income through increased number of repairs? I don't recall seeing anything in their marketing literature or in test reviews describing this novel strategy. I doubt anyone would want to hold these models with the newer telephotos attached but with the Z9? It's the flagship model, it's heavier, bigger and considered to be "tougher" than the other models.
It is also unreasonable to expect it to be better at handling knocks? It must be tough on you having to worry for so long about what I posted and just itching to try to get some sort of comeback at me, even months or years after I posted. That's a lot of emotional baggage to carry But hey, it's your life and your stress levels. But I would advise you to let go and be at greater peace within yourself.
Actually you parroted these argument so often it becomes hard to forget. So when I read an article and they say the R5 added an over temp threshold option all of your repeated over and over posts are very very easy to recall.
But yeah, you are over the top, so here we are. I am not stressed about it at all. There are a lot of over the top commenters on this site and I don't really give it a second thought or have it burned in my memory. Thoughts R Us I am sure that the Z9 will be fine for professional use. It is just worth noticing that the Z9 seems to be the weakest of the bunch where interchangeable lens systems are the most delicate and most likely to break.
Making the Z9 also by far the heaviest does not help on impact. I hope this should put a final word on all your "truck and racecar" theory. At least I hope it will for the sake of healthy and unbiased discourse. More space makes it easier to service, hybrids, phones and all things intended to be as small as possible, a PITA. I can't imagine riding in a bus that had no open space, but sardines know exactly how that would feel.
Not a bus but try a train the day before Christmas, then you will know how sardines feels. I do not know why I read "sensor" rather than "chip" Maybe because we are on a photography site? Or because the number of labs that know how to make a sensor are less numerous than labs that know how to make processors, RAMs and glue logic? Not sure there's much reason to replace 'generic chips' with counterfeit ones.
That's the only way to be sure it meets spec. You must not be deployed in the purchase department of said camera manufacturer or worse, the purchase department of the circuit supplyer If they're spec'd in there by the mfg, I wouldn't call them counterfeit by definition. Hopefully,they reassembled everything and sold it as good as new. PLshutterbug Send them one of the surface mount components each. Eventually they'll have enough to put together a Z9 of their own!
I think the idea that two ribbons carry data to separate components on the board is the explanation. Anyway curious about the actual chip architecture here. It's the part where they say there are two sets of ribbons from the sensor, one to the displays and another to the memory card I imagine through the buffer memory actually.
I guess that's opposed to one set having to stop sending a signal to the displays while writing to memory. Other's will correct what I've gotten wrong I'm sure. Sony had blackout free shooting since It just shows two ribbon cables instead of the traditional single ribbon cable. That show exactly nothing. Obviously, the sensor is driven by one chip and generates one output. You can then split it up.
But this article neither explains how it is done, why it is done, and what benefits that would bring. Well we all know the EVF data is partially read. Once you get the data out of the relevant pixels, they are free to be exposed again and generate the EVF stream.
And then comes the problem of getting the EVF data out while the previous full-pixel picture is still transferring. It would be a timing nightmare if the two fight for a single data stream, and Nikon solved this problem by not tackling it at all - a true Nikon-fashion. You say the EVF feed is a separate readout. So why not just feed those bits to the EVF during that readout?
And then when the image data for the capture is being read-out, just feed that data to the memory? If these tasks are happening serially the timing is quite easy. Still panther is right.
The presence of two ribbon cables tells us nothing. That honestly makes no sense. All the logic that decides what is read out when is already on the sensor. The article is poorly written. I'm fairly sure, one of the cables are for data use in connection with the IBIS. As I understand, The Sensor in the Z 9 sends two image data streams to the Exspeed 7 image processor, using one cable. The Exspeed 7 then proces both set of data simultaneously and then send the data from one stream to the memory card and the data from the other stream to the EVF.
This is the true clever bit of the Nikon Z 9. Its image processor is set up to handle two image data streams simultaneously. As the Z 9s EVF is a minor 3. This is not how it works at all. For standard 60FPS viewfinder viewing the sensor has specialized readout modes that readout a reduced number of pixels at much higher frame rates. Check out some of the Sony image sensor datasheets.
MikeRan "No. For standard 60FPS viewfinder viewing the sensor has specialized readout modes that readout a reduced number of pixels at much higher frame rates Fair enough, but they still have one processor that has to coordinate image data calculation and sending data to the memory card and sending data to the EVF, all in a sequentially order.
On a slow readout camera, you might have an EVF with a 60fps refresh rate, but that does not mean the EVF get data from the processor 60 times a second, as the processor is occupied with more important things, hence the blackouts, skipped frames etc.
The Z 9 my understanding has a dedicated part of its image processor working "only" with the EVF data and another part working "only" with Image data. Maybe it is even a dual-core processor, but the EVF stream never gets interrupted by a bottleneck in the image stream. Perhaps the two ribbons provide identical data to two separate areas for parallel processing. One takes care of image processing and storage, the other focuses on processing what you actually see?
Maybe there is a blackout internally, but not from what you are shown in viewfinder? HJVN the A9 has had blackout free shooting since Sony never mentioned anything like dual stream feed to support live view before, but they still achieved blackout free shooting more than 5 years ago. Also one processor likely has multiple cores, so processing happens in parallel on most modern CPUs.
Anyway, we are all just speculating here without more specifics. Cool, high end tech! You guys are drinking the marketing cool aid. And blackout free shooting exists on 4 other camera models without this marketing…. MikeRan You really goes on about those Sonys, don't you. In every post it's Sony this, Sony that. Maybe they Sony have a much faster processor. Maybe they do use a dual stream technology but just don't advertise it, or maybe the EVF on the A9 is not what it is cracked up to be.
I don't know and I don't care. Stop sounding like a disgrunted fan boy. Now you made me sound like one. The nightmare is not arranging for the prioritized pixels, but getting them to send a second frame proper when the rest of the sensor is still busy.
The A9 and A1 blackout free shooting is seamless looking at higher shutter speeds. At very low shutter speeds there are actual frames mixed in as it seems there would have to be. Both the Z9 and A1 electronic shutter read out in about 4ms, that's why they can be shutterless. So you can squeeze the full readout in between "no problem".
Also Sony is very open about the way they do blackout free shooting in their marketing material. Updating AF calculations etc And with the newest firmware of the Canon R3 you know exactly what in theory is possible. They can pull the entire sensor at FPS. This gives a fast-enough refresh when you're trying to follow your subject then slows back down to your chosen shutter speed and blacks-out the finder when you take your shot.
That's because the Sony drops in resolution while you're focusing, regardless of what your display quality settings are. And when you've stopped focusing, the resolution rises again and the sensor stabilizer seems to hiccup and do a bit of a reset. With the Z9, what you see when you first look through it is what you get. No resolution changes, no hiccups, no jolting. Just a smooth experience that allows for better focus pun intended.
Same resolution, same frame-rate, all the time. MILCman Perhaps you might want to join the conversation of how Nikon is achieving black-out free shooting and specifically the purpose of the 2 ribbon cables that appear to be linked to what they are doing. Any in-sights on that or are ypu simply going to bash them as usual as not being up to par? Don't you get tired of forever searching for links to "prove" the inferiority of any non Sony camera?
Maybe if instead you invested some time in searching for info on why Nikon are using 2 cables and what the effect if any of that is, you might have something useful to add to the conversation.
KZ7 - perhaps you might want to stop bashing sony long enough to look at how your favorite brand actually performs, instead of constantly posting unsubstantiated vagarities like "2 ribbon cables" MILCman My posting history is generally postive in regards to Sony and embarassingly gushing at times, including calling the A1 the best camera bar none when it came out. I still think its an incredible camera. Don't confuse me calling out your nonsense posts with being anti-Sony. BTW - here's what Mike said at the start of this thread and what I was replying to "I think the idea that two ribbons carry data to separate components on the board is the explanation.
KZ7 - your post history of launching personal attacks on myself and others is fully evident here, and you are doing it in part to bash sony and attempt to defend your favorite brand, nikon. MILCman Mike's coolaid response was not directed at me.
I hadn't even posted on this thread when he made that comment. I added to the coversation what the second cable was connected to, which wasn't mentioned in the DPR article but was in the link to the original article. How that works or what affect it has, no-one here has worked out. BTW - my "favourite" brand as you put it is Canon. That doesn't stop me appreciating what Nikon has done with the Z9 or the D before that or what Sony has done with the A1 or the excellent lenses they have been producing lately.
I don't need to belittle other camera brands to be happy with my choice. KZ7 - he asked for a "technical explanation", not a repeat of the marketing kool-aid in the article. MILCman You are reading into my comment way more than was said. By that logic I was belittling Canon as well, a company whose cameras I have used for more than 35 years. In regards to 'stuttering evf' I don't own a Z9 and can't replicate what was being discussed, but it appears to be in very specific circumstances.
Its a pointless exercise. Pointing at two cables explains nothing. Really nothing. How does dual stream help? Which chip splits the data? Why is that superior to architecture with simly one faster chip? Why can't it be handled on one SoC with two processing units etc This article promised answers and didn't deliver.
And I love technical discussion, but so far nobody came up with a reasoneable explanation. TRU the point of this question was to actually understand how the dual stream was helping. Is the dual stream just a data path? Or is it somehow dual readout? Anyway the point was to have a technical discussion. We see a number of technical questions asked and only marketing answers or results. Which are conflicting when you view some of the other reports. One last thought. Incidentally if you look at the two different ribbon cables they are very different.
One seems to have very few signal lines and a number of very large conductors. It would be funny if one of those ribbons was just providing power and perhaps control signals and the other one was providing both streams. No one said dual stream meant two cables. In fact I can have 10 streams flowing through a single Ethernet cable. Have a nice Wednesday. Silly argument. So, two data paths are better and that makes Z9 better… wow. What about A1 having 2 processors, does it now make it better than Z9?
You need to understand why architectures have different design and not all of them have to do with advantage, some are to close the design constraint gaps. And in A1, the dual processors are required to achieve blackout free EVF.
We have no clue about this because this are design decisions made by the manufacturer to build a camera for a price with maximum off the shelf components to keep the cost down. MikeRan: "Anyway the point was to have a technical discussion.
Which are conflicting when you view some of the other reports ". This is typical of the entire discussion here and indeed anytime commenters try to comment on technical issues like these? Because as you note no one outside of the company making the product has access to the type of data needed.
Add to that the lack of true skills in the types of engineering and you have a discussion that raises interesting questions buy beyond that is just going to be rather devoid of substance.
Sometimes people have found some actual useful information published. Sony published some quite detailed papers on their A1 sensor as an example. So sometimes the info is out there. Too many fan-boys and haters with an agenda to have an objective conversation.
Once you get to stacked sensor the scan speed no longer reflects the actual readout speed. This changes when there is a storage on-site to act as a temporary storage, and now the problem reverts to the mechanical-shutter days: how do I view the scene when the shutter cannot not be opened just yet?
R3 can reach fps with its sensor-body link, yes. That by no means imply it overclocks the data link that much during normal shooting. Overclocking is very energy inefficient. In fact Nikon explicitly use line skipping in some of its video modes because it consider reading the 8k sensor at 30 fps a waste of time. I think everything you wrote in your last comment is not correct.
You seem to be describing global shutter. This is what stops the exposure on stacked and non stacked sensors. If what you said was actually true the Z9 would have no banding problems and shutter speed fine tuning would be unnecessary. What you are describing are common architectures for global shutter sensors. But even with the "store in digital" form you have to be carefull as there are both dual and tripple layer stacked sensors.
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Reading mode: Light Dark. Login Register. Best cameras and lenses. Now reading: Kolari Vision goes inside Nikon's Z9 in its latest camera teardown comments. Removing the Z9's backplate. When you remove the backplate, the entire four-way tilting LCD mechanism comes with it. Credit: Kolari Vision Once the back plate is removed, you can see the camera's internals, including an entire an extensive set of ribbon cables.
Credit: Kolari Vision The image sensor includes screws that hold the sensor down against springs. Nikon Z9 motherboard. Credit: Kolari Vision Next is removing the heatsink, which includes numerous thermal pads beneath it. Credit: Kolari Vision Beneath the motherboard is another layer of the camera's heatsink frame. Credit: Kolari Vision If you have a Z9, or any camera, you'd like converted to full-spectrum or infrared, visit Kolari Vision to check out your options and learn more.
Tags: kolari-vision , nikon , nikon-z9 , teardown , z9. View Comments Comments All Prairie Pal "Nikon adjusts the sensor position to ensure that it's perfectly calibrated and parallel to the focal plane".
Deliverator Two things have to be properly oriented; the sensor plane has to be perpendicular to, and centred on, the optical axis. Certified calibration lens? Deliverator For the purposes of digital photography, the focal plane is the surface of the sensor. Prairie Pal I'm not trying to split hairs, but then the text should read "adjusted the focal plane to be calibrated to the lens mount"? Deliverator In the reality of manufacturing I supposed there are two focal planes: a surface centred on and perpendicular to the lens mount at a distance of 16mm, or the surface of the sensor, with the latter being the "true" plane.
WillieG "Nikon also soldered all the ports on the board. Wait for it. If the camera is closed who is moving or shaking them inside?? Kona Mike MILC man, replace the entire motherboard or just heat-up the solder to break the connection? Follow me finding.
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